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  • Capitalism, like Communism, is great in theory, but in practice it hasn't been kind to the working and middle class. It's great for the capitalists- hence the advent of multi-nationals, conglomeration and concentration of the wealth.

    To me it doesn't have to be either/or. There must be a third way- although at this point I think it's a little too late. My personal idea would be a limited form of capitalism. You work hard and better yourself- but at some point that's all you get. After that the profits will either go to good of the whole (through taxation) or to the workers. Some sort of hybrid of free enterprise and socialism. Seems like a grea theory to me. Everybody wins. I guess it is my vision of a utopian and egalitarian society.

    The biggest problem as I see it would be how deconglomerate/redistribute- how to break up the big banks, big oil, big pharma, huge industrial farms, etc. I really don't think it's possible. Anti-trust laws have become almost non-existent.

    The only hope I see to provide good paying jobs is through innovation, but then unless the laws are changed, these jobs would ultimately be exported to low wage nations.
  • The documentary explains what happened. Should be required viewing for those who want to point blame. It was a conscious and cunning plan by greedy bankers. Almost sent the world into another depression. Luckily Obama and his advisors made some wise decisions to save what was left- including the automobile industry.

    Breaking up the too big to fail banks would be a step in the right direction, but obviously that is not going to happen as they are the ones calling the shots.

    The Capitalist experiment is in its dying days. The conglomeration of America is nearly complete. The wealth has been concentrated to the top 1%. The middle class is in despair and many bills are coming due- unpayable pensions, exploding Medicare payments, crumbling infrastructure. I would not want to be the next president. To even want the job should indicate the need for a psych eval.
  • Walter,

    But you just responded to Kelvin! ;-)

  • I'm with you Walter. The definition of insanity "doing the same thing over and over, expecting different results". I swore off this futile exchange of opinions awhile back and stopped. Then recently I got sucked back in by some ridiculous remark. I relapsed if you will. I'm back on the wagon. No mas!!
  • Walter,

    As you know it's always the right who must have someone to blame. In the case of Ning, it's you and me. You and I are the evildoers. If only we'd disappear everything would be fine. Just joking- they'd find someone else. No one will ever accuse them of being bipartisan or tolerant to other points of view.
  • Hi I was once a soldier in the Swiss Army but I got booted out because my mouth wouldn’t stop flapping842716622?profile=original

    • Greg,  I would guess from all of his anti-gun posts that it was because he fears guns.

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  • Actually both of you are wrong. When Bill Clinton was the president, he started the "everyone should be able to own a home" policy that created the loans that were based on "stated income", meaning you could make up your income.

    When Bush got in office, he continued this policy.

    Therefore both are guilty! Wallstreet just took it to the next level with their derivatives scheme.

    • Let me get this straight. The bankers were "forced" by the government to loan money to anyone with a pulse? Au contraire, it was greed by the bankers and Wall Street pure and simple. If you wish to blame the government, go right ahead. It was capitalism at its worst. The bastards had bought and paid the politicians to allow it to happen. Wake up and look at who the real villains are- it's not the politicians. It's human greed. Government haters have been successfully bamboozled.
      • Forced is a harsh word, but yes the government thought it was important that everyone should be able to live the American dream of owning a home. They changed laws to allow for stated income and other things like 100% loans so you did not need any money yourself.

        The governments of Clinton and Bush both promoted this. This was covered by many financial news outlets including CNBC. Now, obviously what wallstreet did with the bad loans and package them as derivatives is another issue.

        So in essence you had two problems. Bad loans because people were being approved for loans they should not. And, the derivate scheme of the bankers that sold these bundled bad loans and acted like they performed better.

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