TCM: Law of Self Defense in Panama

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MARK HURT August 31, 2011 at 10:13am

First off I 100 percent agree with LEE, on gun permits, a person who gets a gun permit should have to go to a indoor range and be tested to show they can use the weapon, they then should be given x amount of time on training and the law to show when that weapon can be used and when it can not.

The laws posted about taking a person's life to protect you was all based if you are inside your home and this person enters and attacks you.. so I have to go back to the real case that just happen here, where two kids with toy guns board a bus to rob everyone, a man on that bus, pulls his real gun and kills them both. no charges.
Lee Zeltzer August 31, 2011 at 8:10am

Rick & Kodiak Since I do not know the facts I created a hypothetical based upon what I heard. This hypothetical is not intended to be a judgement of any person, it is to help educate people as to the law here. Panama issues gun permits with many odd requirements but does not require either training on the law or use of a firearm. I do believe that both are more important than a urine and blood sample.
- Kodiak > Lee Zeltzer August 31, 2011 at 8:32am
  
  Lee, Thanks for your efforts to clarify the subject.
  
  Later,
  
  J
Kodiak August 31, 2011 at 7:21am

You will NEVER convince the true-believer like Rick that the presence of firearms has proven to reduce crime, Lee. Doesn’t matter what the law says, they know better.
Later,
J
Kodiak August 30, 2011 at 7:49pm

Julio's summary pretty much reflects the Penal Code I posted in one of the shooting threats here a while back. The only spin I see is the one questioning if protecting oneself from lethal force with lethal force outside of one’s dwelling is justified. I would agree that the presumptive clause mentioned in the summary would not apply for the case discussed nonetheless defending oneself from a individual under the influence of illegal drugs seems to be pretty clearly provided for in the PC. Of course the “facts” of this particular case are unclear.
Later,
J
- Lee Zeltzer > Kodiak August 31, 2011 at 8:13am
  
  Vigilante in Spanish means watchful or alert.
- Lee Zeltzer > Kodiak August 30, 2011 at 8:00pm
  
  The issue is that in the hypothetical, the shooter entered another house with a lethal weapon. He in fact created the situation that made it confrontation lethal. Again the case is hypothetical and the opinion is mine not that of Julio.
  - Kodiak > Lee Zeltzer August 30, 2011 at 8:36pm
    
    It was reported that the shooter did not enter another's house but that the confrontation took place outside. A Vicino's Vigilantes chapter was established by the area Police so that folks could help police their own neighborhoods. The shooter was a member of this police organized group which hypothetically would appear to give the shooter a legitimate purpose to be present. The shooter was licensed to carry a lethal weapon. Perhaps a copy of one of the VV charters will describe exactly what direction participants actually, or are supposed, receive.
    Later,
    J
    - Robert Boyd > Kodiak August 31, 2011 at 9:22am
      
      Vecinos Vigilantes are not police. The law is clear.
      - Kodiak > Robert Boyd August 31, 2011 at 11:01am
        
        Unfortunately most (maybe all) of us do not know if the shooter showed up acting as Police or as a Vecinos Vigilante in order to obtain information worthy of reporting to the Police. Nonetheless that person felt the need to defend himself from a criminal approaching him with a machete. I agree the law is quite absolutely crystal clear that one may defend themselves or another when warranted.
        
        Later,
        
        J

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